Unless you are flying that day…. you don’t need to be wearing a flight suit. You are doing command post puke duty or not really flying ( UAV ). Deal with it. This is a very unfortunate syndrome in the USAF over the past several years.
Eric – Come On! What should be worn, Nixon-era proposed Prussian-like uniforms? Or the goofy 1930-ish riding pants proposed a few years back? How about naked with flip-flops?
The baseline for the continued wear of flightsuits (yes, nicknamed “bags”)is that they are COMFORTABLE (although the pre-Nomex cotton cloth based ones were softer, almost like a binky), easy to upkeep, easy to don, and relatively inexpensive. Don’t fuck with what works!
I know you desire to diminish the fighter pilot “aura” whenever you can. Flightsuits are worn by any number of operational personnel in all the services – particularly those who are involved in duties involving flying or flying operations.
I’m the geezer, not you – KNOCK IT OFF!
If one isn’t flying, the airman battle uniform is just fine.
“If one isn’t flying, the airman battle uniform is just fine.”
If one is working in an office environment, especially stateside, service dress is preferable. What happened to professional military appearance?
“If one is working in an office environment, especially stateside, service dress is preferable. What happened to professional military appearance?”
Pretty much. If you are flying, flight suit. If you work in an environment where getting dirty might be an issue or you otherwise need the utility/mobility of a utility uniform, ABU (although the use of a camouflage uniform on the flight line really is beyond me…maybe I’ll get that education at tech school). Otherwise, suck it up and wear your blues. I’ve been shocked by the stories/pictures I’ve heard/seen coming out of the Pentagon with generals wearing flight suits to work…
Besides, you still get to wear your wings on your BDU/ABUs. Everyone will still know that you are part of the royalty.
I see USAF officers wearing these EVERYDAY in the 5-sided wind tunnel and Crystal City.
Every-freakin’-day.
Cant see what the problem is myself, In the RAAF it is working dress…
RIP’s second paragraph is spot on.
Generals at Pentagon, hmm maybe not so much.
So, it’s how you dress (look), not how well you do your job? Anna Wintour, where are you when we need you!
Back to the days of the McPeak Golden Warrior/Pilot – pressed and creased, tailored Class A uniform, 6′+, six-pack abs, male, and blond (the last part always smacked of Aryan connotations – but what do I know????).
“Back to the days of the McPeak Golden Warrior/Pilot – pressed and creased, tailored Class A uniform, 6′+, six-pack abs, male, and blond (the last part always smacked of Aryan connotations – but what do I know????).”
Are you equating a professional military appearance with Nazi racism? Are you kidding???
Professional appearance in the US armed forces is part of what we call “military bearing” – it’s a fitness report/eval criterion.
Uniforms have purposes -first and foremost to provide appropriate, standardized dress for specific environments and their conditions.
Flightsuits or coveralls are simply not professional or appropriate beyond the flightline, drydock or the ship…etc.
US Army and Naval commands know and enforce this standard. It seems the Air Force is different.
Who hasn’t seen AF officers (even at the rank of 06) in ‘bags’ regularly strolling around the Pentagon. * By comparison, a Navy service member wouldn’t be caught dead in such dress inside the ‘Beltway.” The AF knows it is wrong too:
Ever seen an AF officer of flag rank in flightsuit at the P’gon. NEVER!!!
Why the AF doesn’t appreciate the same standards for military bearing + enforce simple discipline is beyond the understanding of many in our armed forces.
Eric – Come On! What should be worn, Nixon-era proposed Prussian-like uniforms? Or the goofy 1930-ish riding pants proposed a few years back? How about naked with flip-flops?
The baseline for the continued wear of flightsuits (yes, nicknamed “bags”)is that they are COMFORTABLE (although the pre-Nomex cotton cloth based ones were softer, almost like a binky), easy to upkeep, easy to don, and relatively inexpensive. Don’t fuck with what works!
I know you desire to diminish the fighter pilot “aura” whenever you can. Flightsuits are worn by any number of operational personnel in all the services – particularly those who are involved in duties involving flying or flying operations.
I’m the geezer, not you – KNOCK IT OFF!
If one isn’t flying, the airman battle uniform is just fine.
“If one isn’t flying, the airman battle uniform is just fine.”
If one is working in an office environment, especially stateside, service dress is preferable. What happened to professional military appearance?
“If one is working in an office environment, especially stateside, service dress is preferable. What happened to professional military appearance?”
Pretty much. If you are flying, flight suit. If you work in an environment where getting dirty might be an issue or you otherwise need the utility/mobility of a utility uniform, ABU (although the use of a camouflage uniform on the flight line really is beyond me…maybe I’ll get that education at tech school). Otherwise, suck it up and wear your blues. I’ve been shocked by the stories/pictures I’ve heard/seen coming out of the Pentagon with generals wearing flight suits to work…
Besides, you still get to wear your wings on your BDU/ABUs. Everyone will still know that you are part of the royalty.
I see USAF officers wearing these EVERYDAY in the 5-sided wind tunnel and Crystal City.
Every-freakin’-day.
Cant see what the problem is myself, In the RAAF it is working dress…
RIP’s second paragraph is spot on.
Generals at Pentagon, hmm maybe not so much.
So, it’s how you dress (look), not how well you do your job? Anna Wintour, where are you when we need you!
Back to the days of the McPeak Golden Warrior/Pilot – pressed and creased, tailored Class A uniform, 6′+, six-pack abs, male, and blond (the last part always smacked of Aryan connotations – but what do I know????).
“Back to the days of the McPeak Golden Warrior/Pilot – pressed and creased, tailored Class A uniform, 6′+, six-pack abs, male, and blond (the last part always smacked of Aryan connotations – but what do I know????).”
Are you equating a professional military appearance with Nazi racism? Are you kidding???
Professional appearance in the US armed forces is part of what we call “military bearing” – it’s a fitness report/eval criterion.
Uniforms have purposes -first and foremost to provide appropriate, standardized dress for specific environments and their conditions.
Flightsuits or coveralls are simply not professional or appropriate beyond the flightline, drydock or the ship…etc.
US Army and Naval commands know and enforce this standard. It seems the Air Force is different.
Who hasn’t seen AF officers (even at the rank of 06) in ‘bags’ regularly strolling around the Pentagon. * By comparison, a Navy service member wouldn’t be caught dead in such dress inside the ‘Beltway.” The AF knows it is wrong too:
Ever seen an AF officer of flag rank in flightsuit at the P’gon. NEVER!!!
Why the AF doesn’t appreciate the same standards for military bearing + enforce simple discipline is beyond the understanding of many in our armed forces.
Spot on MILSPEC